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	<title>Comments on: Ajax Alive and Kicking</title>
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	<description>let the chips fall where they may</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.nitobi.com/dave/2007/12/14/ajax-alive-and-kicking/comment-page-1/#comment-35263</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darren thanks very much for your great comments! All very valid points - especially about not joining the navy :)

I think that it is interesting that we have had word processors and spreadsheets since the early days of computing and I think those will continue to be the mainstays of computer for some time to come.

I do agree that going forward we will need something more than what is Ajax today - that may be Flex or it may some other web standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darren thanks very much for your great comments! All very valid points &#8211; especially about not joining the navy <img src='http://blogs.nitobi.com/dave/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think that it is interesting that we have had word processors and spreadsheets since the early days of computing and I think those will continue to be the mainstays of computer for some time to come.</p>
<p>I do agree that going forward we will need something more than what is Ajax today &#8211; that may be Flex or it may some other web standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
		<link>http://blogs.nitobi.com/dave/2007/12/14/ajax-alive-and-kicking/comment-page-1/#comment-35246</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most developers that are doing both the client and server side scripting in Flex would be using Eclipse for everything (Flex, Java, PHP, etc.) and are quite enjoying the experience. I guess you know that Flex comes in an Eclipse plug-in version but your wording above seems to suggest that this is not the case.

Also, have you considered that the use of crossdomain.xml might actually be a good solution to cross-domain security issues? This way companies like Flickr and Yahoo can open up parts of their API and have some control over the security of their services. You make it sound like Ajax has no cross-domain issues at all.

There&#039;s also an underlying assumption in your article that Ajax can do pretty much everything that Flex can do. This is far from the case. I agree that with an example like an online Word Processor there is not much difference between Ajax and Flex but this is because Word Processors are based on an ancient UI model. Flex can already support the sort of interfaces we&#039;ll use in the future. Ajax can adequately replicate what we have now.

This is probably not the best example out there but I came across this site yesterday which is well-designed, functional, a pleasure to use and would be not nearly as good if implemented in Ajax (please note - I don&#039;t think everyone should go off and join the navy - I&#039;m certainly not!):

http://navylifestyle.defencejobs.gov.au/

I think using Ajax instead of Flash/Flex is holding the web back. It&#039;s trying to make the browser - which was originally designed to display hyperlinked pages of text - do something which is beyond it&#039;s capabilities. Flash on the other hand is built with interactivity at it&#039;s core. I haven&#039;t even mentioned mind-blowing stuff like Papervision3D. Now if I could only stop people making those bloody annoying Flash intros...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most developers that are doing both the client and server side scripting in Flex would be using Eclipse for everything (Flex, Java, PHP, etc.) and are quite enjoying the experience. I guess you know that Flex comes in an Eclipse plug-in version but your wording above seems to suggest that this is not the case.</p>
<p>Also, have you considered that the use of crossdomain.xml might actually be a good solution to cross-domain security issues? This way companies like Flickr and Yahoo can open up parts of their API and have some control over the security of their services. You make it sound like Ajax has no cross-domain issues at all.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also an underlying assumption in your article that Ajax can do pretty much everything that Flex can do. This is far from the case. I agree that with an example like an online Word Processor there is not much difference between Ajax and Flex but this is because Word Processors are based on an ancient UI model. Flex can already support the sort of interfaces we&#8217;ll use in the future. Ajax can adequately replicate what we have now.</p>
<p>This is probably not the best example out there but I came across this site yesterday which is well-designed, functional, a pleasure to use and would be not nearly as good if implemented in Ajax (please note &#8211; I don&#8217;t think everyone should go off and join the navy &#8211; I&#8217;m certainly not!):</p>
<p><a href="http://navylifestyle.defencejobs.gov.au/" rel="nofollow">http://navylifestyle.defencejobs.gov.au/</a></p>
<p>I think using Ajax instead of Flash/Flex is holding the web back. It&#8217;s trying to make the browser &#8211; which was originally designed to display hyperlinked pages of text &#8211; do something which is beyond it&#8217;s capabilities. Flash on the other hand is built with interactivity at it&#8217;s core. I haven&#8217;t even mentioned mind-blowing stuff like Papervision3D. Now if I could only stop people making those bloody annoying Flash intros&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andre&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ajax Alive and Kicking and Measure</title>
		<link>http://blogs.nitobi.com/dave/2007/12/14/ajax-alive-and-kicking/comment-page-1/#comment-34980</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ajax Alive and Kicking and Measure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dave Johnson just put up a post titled &#8220;Ajax Alive and Kicking&#8221; that looks at where Ajax is today and what some of the new innovations in the space are. He identifies the key factors in why Ajax is still continuing to the be successful versus other RIA technologies and in particular Flex. [...]</description>
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